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nwadvana 119 ( +1 | -1 )
--- An Idea --- Let me make it clear that i do not practice what i have suggested here, and its only an idea, so dont class me as a cheater.

I dont have much study time for chess, and normally i book up on openings when i want to try something new, this takes up alot of my limited study time, and it gets annoying when the opening that i have been studying, just dosent work for me. In that sense i thought it would be a good idea, to play on real time chess sites, with decent 15 min + time controls and let the computer play out the "opening" moves. This would probably be the first 7 - 10 moves i expect, and then close the chess program and play the rest of the game yourself. Then i would be able to determine if i can play the positions which arise from that particular opening well, and if yes, i could go on to study them in depth, saving valuable study time. I dont call this cheating becuase if i had wasted my time to learn the opening moves anyway, i would still be playing the opening the same....

What do you guys think about this.

All views welcome
zdrak 97 ( +1 | -1 )
On most (or all?) real-time chess sites the use of any external aids is specifically forbidden. When joining any of those sites, you have to click the small "I accept the user agreement" where you promise to abide by the site rules. So I cannot see how you can implement this idea without becoming a cheater.

Of course on correspondence sites such as GK opening databases are perfectly OK.

"I dont call this cheating becuase if i had wasted my time to learn the opening moves anyway, i would still be playing the opening the same"

I would call this cheating, because you see, you DIDN'T really waste your time learning the opening. While your opponent was busy with his books, studying (the poor clutz!) you went outside to shoot some hoops ... but when you get to play him, he doesn't have any advantage as a result of making all this effort - your database is a great equalizer between his effort and your non-effort.

mettlesome 65 ( +1 | -1 )
The idea is fine... Yes, the idea id fine, but the application sucks.

Yes this is a good way to learn the openings....BUT... you should do this against your computer!

What I mean is that you could get your computer to start a game playing against itself, and then you come in after 7 or 10 moves and finish it.

Once you have gained some experience like this, you can go to a real time chess site and play the WHOLE game your self.....(and of course this actually helps you to learn the opening, whereas if you just let the computer decide for you, you'll learn nothing (and probably be a bit lost when you take over from the computer...).

Mettlesome
gambitnut 59 ( +1 | -1 )
I have a different suggestion If I'm not mistaken, using computers is not allowed but using books is so my suggestion is that you go out and buy something like MCO, search through it to find an opening you want to try and the use it while you are playing the opening so you can make sure you play it correctly. Once you find an opening which you like and gives you middelgame positions you like, you and go out and buy a specialized book on just that opening and really learn it. Pretty soon you will know the openign so well you won't have much need for the books unless your opponent gets you in a line you don't know very well or you want to learn a new opening.
pycroft 29 ( +1 | -1 )
Alternate suggestions I find I learn more watching other games. I would look (Or ask) if anyone uses a particular opening and then view that persons past games. Either that, or ask a high level player to play the opening against you and learn what they do.
caldazar 41 ( +1 | -1 )
I second mettlesome's idea If all you really want to do is bash out some moves to get a general feel for the position, blitz/rapid is great for this, but since it is technically cheating, do it against a computer program. It's not like it really matters if you blunder horribly and the computer blows you away at move 25; you can just reset the position to move 24 (or wherever) and have a go at it again, something you can't really do so well against a human opponent anyway.
calmrolfe 43 ( +1 | -1 )
Just a thought Most blitz sites have resident computer players designated by the letter (C). They are provided to ensure that at any time of the night an opponent is available to play. If you challenge a (C) player to blitz then there is probably little harm done by using your computer for the first ten moves. However, you would improve quicker by playing all the moves yourself and learn by experience.

Kind regards,

Cal