34 ( +1 | -1 ) Cyrano! top rated player in... GameknotI dont know if anyone has spoke of Cyrano breaking the 3000 mark. last time i checked he was 3017.
Hey... Cyrano vs Kasparov! what do you think guys? would cyrano do well or lose? i know that on the whole we are all amateur chess players he has been playing but is he good enough to beat the world champ?
32 ( +1 | -1 ) replyi believe that anyone can beat him because a blunder is caused by human error and not seeing why it is a blunder. I am aware of some players who have come on this site and they are involved in open ELO tournaments, so if cyrano can beat them then surely he has a chance. i think it would certainly be interesting
55 ( +1 | -1 ) Florin Serbanis without any doubt one of the strongest (if not the strongest) player here at GK. He plays some brilliant chess. A couple of fairly "unknown" players are: mladen and deep_a. Play there games thru as well, (remember board and pieces) and I'm sure you guys will have some nice surprices!
102 ( +1 | -1 ) Most people here are overratedNot just cyrano the problem people seem to have with him is just that his rating is mostly made from beating players 400 points below him. Most everyone here is overrated, does anyone think most of the top players rated 2500+++ would even make a master title in OTB. If I put my mind to it I can beat a 1600 player on gameknot, no bragging here, but in real life I am only around 1380. I posted this without trying to insult the top players, but the truth is most people here are overrated. It is because this is a correspondance chess site. I can play the Sicilian Nadjorf 22 moves deep just because I can look it up somewhere, no need to study or remember. I can use a computer to cheat, granted I don't do that but someone else can and get away with it for quite a while. I can spend an hour thinking about my next move and doing it on a chessboard. This allows players to achieve higher quality of play, but honestly anyone on gameknot V Kasparov = 0-1
12 ( +1 | -1 ) kasparovI anyone here could beat kasparov, he won't be playing here. He would be famous and make from chess his job :)
45 ( +1 | -1 ) thiswas brought up in another thread.. and of course Kasparov would decimate Cyrano..
I admit that I cannot distinguish between the calibre of play of a master and Garry Kasparov.. but I don't think you can either..
for all you know Cyrano is Bobby Fischer.. he would seem the same to you as any regular Master would.. and they both would probably make the same moves against you.. since your blunders would be obvious to both of them.
23 ( +1 | -1 ) Nobody can beat this guy! Kasparov is incredible! Nobody can beat him, karpov, spassky...cyrano. Maybe Fischer would have beaten kasparov. Only Deep Blue won Kasparov. Maybe no living creature can beat him! Except Fischer.
5 ( +1 | -1 ) ActuallyKasparov lost 194 official games, up to now.
13 ( +1 | -1 ) you can't compare cyrano with kasparov..... two different worlds
its like a fly to an elephant... kasparov would simply sit on cyrano and squeeze him out...
22 ( +1 | -1 ) deep_a is a member of the fide:
4189574 Bondarev, Sergey
RUS 1999 0 1954-12-05 M
he's rating is 1999 elo..... I think there is no player here on gameknot whose rating in reallife would be over 2200
13 ( +1 | -1 ) the number 11 is also a member of the fide: ghorani
as you see... there are a lot of players rated over 2000, but I don't think there's an active IM playing here....
33 ( +1 | -1 ) pampelmusThere are several people here with FIDE, ICCF or National ratings at the master level and a few at the IM level. I would estimate that florinserban would have a roughly 2500 ICCF rating. I would guess that there are at least 30 players at GK better than me and I had an ICCF rating of 2305.
81 ( +1 | -1 ) KasparovKasparov would certainly defeat all the best players on Gameknot, he is just too good and too professional.
However, pure internet chess players should not be treated lightly, there are some superb amateur players lurking on the internet. Don't forget that in the FIDE world championship Vishy Anand was seeded No1 and as the No 1 seed he had the luxury of playing the lowest ranked player in the first round, who just happened to be an unrated amateur qualifier from an internet chess tournament. Guess what.......Anand was completely outplayed and lost !! In the second game he gained revenge and so the two players had a sudden death playoff, which Anand won after a tough struggle. So.....even Super GM's take us pure internet chess players lightly at their peril.
9 ( +1 | -1 ) ...... and hehe a monkey could beat kasparov LOL!!! Kasparov is W-E-A-K hahahah j/k FISCHER RULES!!
31 ( +1 | -1 ) There is a big difference no one......is thinking of -- OTB vs correspondence. Some players are excellent at OTB play and stink at correspondence and vice versa. Just like some OTB players excel in tournament play and are poor match players. Dick Van Geet is an example: he is a FIDE IM and an ICCF ICGM. Obviously he is a better correspondence player than OTB.
30 ( +1 | -1 ) CalmrolfeI think you have got it spot on. Kasparov is a professional - all of us (I would guess) here on Gameknot are amateurs in the sense that chess is our hobby/interest but we don't make a living from the game. I don't think anyone gets paid to play correspondence/e-mail chess - it's not really a spectator sport !
4 ( +1 | -1 ) Well, Cairo, don't forget about yourself...You're truly a wonderful chess player!
24 ( +1 | -1 ) Kaspy the invincible?"Kasparov is incredible! Nobody can beat him, karpov, spassky...cyrano. Maybe Fischer would have beaten kasparov. Only Deep Blue won Kasparov. Maybe no living creature can beat him! Except Fischer."
30 ( +1 | -1 ) Kaspy the not so invicibleI could beat him too. All I need is a bat and five minutes.
But seriously... I once took the (now #30, has been higher) active player (30/sd) down to the wire. I think that the real top players are the ones who can give a full effort against any opponent, no matter how much contempt they have for them.
14 ( +1 | -1 ) Cyrano vs. Florinserbanhow about that? Have they played already?
4 ( +1 | -1 ) id=HokkaiDoTake a look at cyrano's minitournament.
12 ( +1 | -1 ) the top veteran gk player tablesays they played once and florin serban won:) very helpfull, that kinda stats:) greetings
18 ( +1 | -1 ) GK Veterans against average mastersEvery average GM would humiliate the top GK players. Its the difference between professionals and Amateurs. these guys devote their lives to the game and are just another world.
4 ( +1 | -1 ) wreimannYou do not know what you are talking about.
48 ( +1 | -1 ) boggYou make assessments very easily. I played more than half of the guys of todays Fide Top ten ranking over the board and saw several of them train in preparation to tournaments and matches. These guys mostly learned in Russian chess schools, being trained by strong grandmasters since their early childhood. Its the difference between being good and very good, its simply another stage, and thks for your kind reply.
17 ( +1 | -1 ) wreimannYou made a ridiculous blanket statement. There are many IM strength players at GK and I don't think even the World Champion can humiliate someone of IM strength. An average GM certainly can't.
76 ( +1 | -1 ) boggOk the statement that average GM's would humiliate GK Top players might be overdone, u are right. But the thread started with the question how top GK players would do against Kasparov & Co and u shouldnt forget that K. played simultaneously against National Teams of Germany, Switzerland, Spain etc. He played even with clock and won all these encounters, some of them by a big margin. I saw Kramnik Blitzing average GM's (ELO 2550-2600) in his Hotel room 1 minute against 5 minutes and he won nearly every game. The top 10 Fide players are just a class of their own but even inside this group Kramnik and Kasparov are again another level. So the Top GK players are as u said maybe IM strength but they would stand absolutely no chance against these guys.
145 ( +1 | -1 ) I'msorry to say wreimann, but you really ask for a reply, what did you expect to get from a statement like this: "Every average GM would humiliate the top GK players." I must say, if your other statement: "I played more than half of the guys of todays Fide Top ten ranking over the board" is true, and I have no reason not to believe it isn't, then I'm really dissapointed of your first statement. With your knowledge of the game, you should know, that you cannot underestimate CC-players, compared to OTB-players, when the terms comes to CC-terms. Another thing is, there is several very strong players here at GK, I think I have played most of them and with my knowledge of the game for more than 40 years, even though I'm not a tittle holder myself, but I've played several GM and IM's over the years, I know for sure, that no average GM nor other GM's can humiliate the strongest players at GK. I think you will have to realise, there is many very strong players out there in the world, which never will be known to the public. In another thread it was pointed out by calmrolfe, that the WC, arr. by Fide, saw an upset, were Anand almost lost, to an unknown internet qualifier!
I don't have an official FIDE rating because in my city almost all tournaments are weekend rapid time tournaments. Nevertheless I recived an invitation from FIDE to play in the first Internet Chess Championship. Because of the tournament schedule I can only play the half of my quarters of finals games. Even with this handicap I obtained, as far as I remmember the 63th place in that tournament. GM Vladimir Epishin was 65th or 66th place (I'm sure that he payed fewer games than I, :). There was a good concurrence: GM Sergei Shipov among other very strong players.
Turning again to my city, I have defeated some IMs and NMs. Among them, IM Florentino Garméndez (FIDE rating of 2400 or so), both in blitz and in standard time. By the way, Florentino was considered by GM Walter Browne some years ago as one of the 20 better blitz players in the world.
What I want to express with all this is that I think that given the appropiate circumstances and a little bit of more time to play in official tournaments, I can achive easily 2200 FIDE rating. Maybe next year...
40 ( +1 | -1 ) Ihave played macheide twice here at GK and in my oppinion, he is a very strong player, he is far to modest talking about obtaining 2200 ELO, it is more than likely he would reach 2400 + without to much trouble.
Best wishes Cairo
112 ( +1 | -1 ) Hi Cairo, thanks for your reply, surely i DID ASK for a reply with my statement, but what i wanted to avoid is that some of the guys replying earleir up in the thread, get carried away about the chances. Your reply showed a mistake of mine, it has to be separated clearer between OTB and CC. Me as a pretty strong OTB player 20-25 years ago (and now starting to enjoy CC at GK as i had absolutly no time for OTB through family and job since then anymore) i was speaking of GK Top players trying themselves OTB against World-class players. You and others meant in CC terms which is a totally hypothetical question as the OTB world class players r only interested in CC as far as they can "use" theoretical novelties but would never play it. In the last 70 years there has only be 1 Top-10-OTB player really competing in CC and that was Keres half a century ago. On the other topic: Anand nearly lost because he didnt took the guy (Unknown internet qualifier) serious, things like that normally only happen once (because of arrogance) to a top player. Can you imagine how a match OTB between to 2 would end ?? Again thanks for your qualified reply (compared to another one).